Post War Walther Pp Serial Numbers
Dec 25, 2008 Walther Production Info WWII Era by John Pearson. A nice resource and skill when it comes to a subject of progressive divergent serial numbers in two different ranges of serial numbers (PP and PPK) and how Walther handled and did this as I said both from a production standpoint and priority standpoint. POST WAR PISTOLS AND HOLSTERS. Walther PP, Hi Polish Eagle/N, Post War Commercial, as imported by Interarms, NIB with instructions booklet, test target and spare magazine. Standard configuration Walther PP with fixed front and drift adjustable rear sight, both with white highlights.
Hi,I have a Vintage Walther PP 7.65mm pistol that I recently bought and I'm interested in learning more about it. From what I've already been able to obtain from searching this site and looking at the serial number chart this gun should be dated around 1942. I noticed something strange about the gun though in that it doesn't display any of the engraving on the gun slide. It is virtually unengraved in that it doesn't even have the walther name on it anywhere except on the plastic grips and on one side of the magazine.
This struck me as strange because all the ones I've ever seen had something on the slide. I am going to attempt to upload some pics of the gun for inspection. Any information you can give me about this piece will be greatly appreciated. The serial number can be seen on the side of the grip and on the right side of the slide. There is a mark on the bolt and under the bolt just under the ejection port. These I believe are the same, but I haven't been able to look at them close enough to be sure.
I am not able to post pictures right now but will upload them in the morning when I get to my computer. Zte zxhn h108n firmware download version 8.0 download. Thanks Ron for your analysis. I really like the gun, it is very tight and has good action. Very very smooth. I've never seen one without any engraving on it at all, so this would certainly explain why. For a gun being made on the way out it sure is a good gun though.
Sure the engraved ones are nice, but this one has alot of character. Any other opinions are certainly welcome. I will be posting pics soon of an old Damascus Barrel estate shotgun I bought that I haven't alot of information about.
It is German though so it will be interesting to learn more about it. My sources date that pistol to late 1944, so it was late, but not one of the last wartime pistols. It does, however, date to a period when the German military was taking all Walther PP production so the commercial marking was dropped entirely and only the Walther code 'ac' was stamped on the slide. Even so, the proof marks are commercial, not military, as they would be if the gun was made under a military contract rather than simply bought under a purchase order.Just FWIW, the commercial Walther markings (banner, address-model-caliber) on those small pistols were not stamped or roll stamped, they were etched. The serial number and 'ac' on the OP's pistol were stamped.Jim.
I quit making even WAGs on values of Nazi-era German pistols. Every time I give a figure based on what I see at gun shows and on the net, someone informs me (with a pitying tone) that a gun I said was worth $500 is really worth $20 million because it was rumored that it possibly perhaps maybe had been handled at some time by someone related maybe to Hitler's seventh cousin fourteen times removed and when will stupid people like me learn about the real world?I do wonder if the over-the-top guesstimators ever get those fancy figures for their guns.Jim. I was also thinking 500 but like Jim, I now try and stay away from values. On the dates, Marschall lists ac 356450P as the last for 1944, this is why i stated 44/45. It could also have been made earlier and not stamped and pushed out the door until 1945.
Regardless it was one of the last batches made in the final months before before the bell rang. Because it was made at the final destruction of the Third Reich I feel it has historical value. Don't know, but it is part of the last chapter. Perhaps, but the information I have seen does not support the idea that 'most' ac-marked Walthers were assembled post-war by GIs. Mismatched ones might have been but information I have seen indicates that the 'ac' markings began in mid to late 1944, quite a while before U.S. Forces reached the Zella-Mehlis area. It would appear probable that the change of marking was just another means of speeding production at what would have been a critical time for Germany and, with the military taking all the guns that could be produced, there was no need for the normal and time consuming slide markings.
'ac' said it all with regard to the maker, and there was no need for a caliber marking since the German military pistols were made only in 7.65.Jim.The Firearms Forum is on online community for all gun enthusiasts. Join us to discuss firearms of all kinds, gun accessories, legal issues and more.
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Greetings.I have a Walther PP for sale, and I have a guy who wants to buy it, but he won't buy it unless I can prove that it is war time. Pistols are not my strong point, so I need help dating this pistol.
It is a standard PP, there are no markings on it except for the serial number and maker code. It has a rough war finish, and there is no Walther legend on the left side.
The number is 389337 P, and directly below it is the AC maker code. I can find no prood marks anywhere on the gun.Any help that can be offered would be greatly welcomed.
Greetings.I have a Walther PP for sale, and I have a guy who wants to buy it, but he won't buy it unless I can prove that it is war time. Pistols are not my strong point, so I need help dating this pistol. It is a standard PP, there are no markings on it except for the serial number and maker code. It has a rough war finish, and there is no Walther legend on the left side.
The number is 389337 P, and directly below it is the AC maker code. I can find no prood marks anywhere on the gun.Any help that can be offered would be greatly welcomed.Your PP was made in or prior to April 1945 according to Deiter Marschal's Walther Pistols. See the Bottom of the attached page(Page 16).Your Pistol should have on the left side behind trigger guard the Eagle over 359 military acceptance stamp and on the right side under the ejection point the eagle over N Proof Mark(See page 112).
Hello, i am new to Walther pistols and am buying one with what appears to be a horizontal 'N' with something (crown?) to the right of it, made ca. What does N mean and the other character?Crow Crown over N stamp shows that the pistol was test fired using ammunition loaded with smokeless gunpowder. It is part of a system that Germany adopted in 1891.NAZI government changed the appearance of various marks.
Crown over N became Eagle over N in 1941.If your PP has Crown over N, then it was made before 1941, otherwise it was made after 1941. Crown over N stamp shows that the pistol was test fired using ammunition loaded with smokeless gunpowder. It is part of a system that Germany adopted in 1891.NAZI government changed the appearance of various marks. Crown over N became Eagle over N in 1941.If your PP has Crown over N, then it was made before 1941, otherwise it was made after 1941.Much obliged for your response. Any significance to the fact it was made before 1941 and that it has no other mark?
What would be a fair price of a pistol of this vintage in 98% condition, in your estimation? I realize there is an element of subjectivity to this but you appear to be very knowledgeable about these pistols (about which i have admitted i know very little).What resources (internet and books) are out there that might help me improve my knowledge of these pistols since i am about to be the owner of one?Regards and many thanks again, Crow. Much obliged for your response. Any significance to the fact it was made before 1941 and that it has no other mark? What would be a fair price of a pistol of this vintage in 98% condition, in your estimation? I realize there is an element of subjectivity to this but you appear to be very knowledgeable about these pistols (about which i have admitted i know very little).What resources (internet and books) are out there that might help me improve my knowledge of these pistols since i am about to be the owner of one?Regards and many thanks again, CrowSee this table to determine which year your pistol was made:It is important to realize that Walther made PP for a long time, since 1929. If all you have is just the regular Cown N mark, then most likely you have a pistol made for commercial sales.
Post War Walther Pp Serial Numbers Lookup
The next question is how it got to US.I know a little bit about Walther PP because I own three that were made after WW Two by Manuhrin, France under license from Walther. So I know basics, but not an expert.Your best bet is take some photographs and start your own thread. Maybe others will recognize something that you do not know is important.
Walther Pp Pistol Serial Numbers
For everybody's information, the post-WW2 serial #s can be found in Dieter Marschall's book on Walthers. I have one more question though: Being new to Walthers i went ahead and bought a magazine for the.380 Walther i bought but have yet to receive. When i got it i noticed it has a ridge on the left side, while other magazines i see are smooth on both sides. None of the books i have discuss the difference in magazines, nor mention the ridge (elevation) on the side. Can someone explain to me if this means the magazine is for a post WW2 Walther.380, PP or PPK perhaps? There is no doubt that it is for a Walther PP or PPK. Your help will be appreciated as always.
For everybody's information, the post-WW2 serial #s can be found in Dieter Marschall's book on Walthers. I have one more question though: Being new to Walthers i went ahead and bought a magazine for the.380 Walther i bought but have yet to receive.
When i got it i noticed it has a ridge on the left side, while other magazines i see are smooth on both sides. None of the books i have discuss the difference in magazines, nor mention the ridge (elevation) on the side. Can someone explain to me if this means the magazine is for a post WW2 Walther.380, PP or PPK perhaps? There is no doubt that it is for a Walther PP or PPK. Your help will be appreciated as always. Like this one?
Lotuss, just wondering if you ever found out any info about your pp with a 5 digit SN? I also have one with 5 digits and the letter 'a'.
Cant find info about it anywhere. Thanks.The letter 'A' after the five-digit serial # means that it is a.380 caliber made in France betwee 1954 and 1985. The numbers assigned to the French Co. (Manurhin) were 12003A-78148A. You should be able to place your pistol in this range and determine the approximate date of manufacture. My information comes from Dieter Marschall, Walther Pistols, page 28.Crow.